Event Ladder System

Event Ladder System

We will be doing a point system for all events. At the end of every month, the person or clan with the most points will get 6000 gold. If you're in a clan, your leader will decide how to disperse the gold fairly. Anyone who places in any events, will automatically be on the Event Ladder System. If they are in the clan, it will display their clan. If they are not in a clan, it will simply display their Annihilus Forum Account. People who are in a clan, will have a higher chance at being top ranked in the Event Ladder.

How it works:

If a person wins 1st in an event, they will receive 2 points.

If a person wins gold in an event, they will receive 1 point.

If a clan sweeps the entire event, the clan will be awarded 1 bonus point.

Wager Point System:

Wager Points are only for clans. You may wager points against a clan that's higher up on the ladder rank then your clan. You may not wager against a clan who's lower then you on the ladder rank.

You must have at least 3-5 points to wager against another clan. The winner of the duels gets all the points wagered.

Wagering Points are only allowed on D2PK Server, and it has to be at least a 2v2 and can go up to a 4v4

This seems like a great Idea if the server had more clans but since LocK clan is the only active clan it's kind of unfair.
The current event ladder looks like this...

1) - Clan LocK 24 points
2) - rra 6 points
3) - Parc 4 points
4) - pozdramiam 3 points
5) - About20Pandas 2 points
6) - Sadpacakez 2 points
7) - Clan Cruc 2 points
8) - diablor - 2 points
9) - Tears 2 point
10) - Qne 1 Point
11) - TehBigNutSack 1 point
12) - Tenebrae 1 point
13) - saesa 1 point
14) -
15) -

Obviously LocK clan is going to win every single event ladder and always keep gaining 6k gold every time.
I'd say hold off on this idea and just wait until there are more clans around or else no one else can ever hope to beat clan LocK.
If the entire clan had seperate points I'm sure "rra" in 2nd place would at least be closer to 1st than he is....
Just kind of seems like there's no way to ever win 1st as long as events are setup with Clans sharing points.

We're going to be re-evaluating this at the end of the month. I've been watching it since we first rolled it out, don't worry!

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Originally Posted by acyroma

We're going to be re-evaluating this at the end of the month. I've been watching it since we first rolled it out, don't worry!

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I would say the best thing to do would be to separate everyone instead of putting clan points together.
Because if Clan Lock didn't add their points together it would look more like this

1) - rra 6 points
2) - LockZilla (LocK) - 5 Point
3) - Bluevex (LocK)- 5 Point
4) - Juice (LocK) - 5 Point
5) - Parc 4 points
6) - pozdramiam 3 points
7) - DrLukifer (LocK) - 3 Point
8) - Norp1 (LocK) - 2 Point
9) - About20Pandas 2 points
10) - Sadpacakez 2 points
11) - Clan Cruc 2 points
12) - diablor - 2 points
13) - Tears 2 point
14) - Qne 1 Point
15) - TehBigNutSack 1 point
16) - Tenebrae 1 point
17) - saesa 1 point
18) - Shtew - (LocK) - 1 point
19) - Eric - (LocK) - 1 point
20) - Brimstonejack (LocK) - 1 point
21) - Revandarth (LocK) - 1 point

Just the fact that rra is 1st place without the Clan System makes me feel bad for rra.
He's technically done best in events out of everyone.
But simply because he isn't in a Clan he get's screwed out of his well deserved #1 spot.

Join a clan? You were in a clan long time ago.

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Originally Posted by Savior

I would say the best thing to do would be to separate everyone instead of putting clan points together.
Because if Clan Lock didn't add their points together it would look more like this

1) - rra 6 points
2) - LockZilla (LocK) - 5 Point
3) - Bluevex (LocK)- 5 Point
4) - Juice (LocK) - 5 Point
5) - Parc 4 points
6) - pozdramiam 3 points
7) - DrLukifer (LocK) - 3 Point
8) - Norp1 (LocK) - 2 Point
9) - About20Pandas 2 points
10) - Sadpacakez 2 points
11) - Clan Cruc 2 points
12) - diablor - 2 points
13) - Tears 2 point
14) - Qne 1 Point
15) - TehBigNutSack 1 point
16) - Tenebrae 1 point
17) - saesa 1 point
18) - Shtew - (LocK) - 1 point
19) - Eric - (LocK) - 1 point
20) - Brimstonejack (LocK) - 1 point
21) - Revandarth (LocK) - 1 point

Just the fact that rra is 1st place without the Clan System makes me feel bad for rra.
He's technically done best in events out of everyone.
But simply because he isn't in a Clan he get's screwed out of his well deserved #1 spot.

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diablor and rrra are the same person ;)

oh, well he'd be winning by even more then I guess lol

Also as it states. Diablor / RRA can challenge the top event ladder to wager some points if he wants. Anyone can.

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Originally Posted by Lockzilla

Join a clan? You were in a clan long time ago.

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I'm aware joining a clan is the other option, but there's really only a small handful of them around.
I'm glad you made LocK clan somewhat recently and that it's been so successful because Annihilus really needs more clans.
I've had plans of possibly making my own clan for next ladder to hopefully urge others to do so as well.
Also I really never enjoyed events as much as others, I'm just more concerned for the players who do enjoy them.
I do love the idea of events and think it's a good addition to annihilus, I'm just no damn good at them. :D
So even if I made a clan, I myself wouldn't really participate as much as the members of my clan probably would.
I'm really just looking at how one sided it seems for the one and only clan that there is at the moment.
I know it encourages people to start a clan or join a clan to put themselves in that position as well.
But at the moment with there being so few clans it just seems like a bad idea to me.
For example I could say why not start up a separate Clan Event Ladder and Single Even Ladder.
But the Clan Event Ladder would have all LocK players and very few Crucible members and that's it.
I just think it's something that needs to be added in the future when/if more clans start appearing. :)

Were thinking of more ideas, but as of right now were not going to judge the Event Ladder during this time due to the announcement of the server reset. I want to see how it does 1/2 months after ladder reset.

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Originally Posted by Savior

I'm aware joining a clan is the other option, but there's really only a small handful of them around.
I'm glad you made LocK clan somewhat recently and that it's been so successful because Annihilus really needs more clans.
I've had plans of possibly making my own clan for next ladder to hopefully urge others to do so as well.
Also I really never enjoyed events as much as others, I'm just more concerned for the players who do enjoy them.
I do love the idea of events and think it's a good addition to annihilus, I'm just no damn good at them. :D
So even if I made a clan, I myself wouldn't really participate as much as the members of my clan probably would.
I'm really just looking at how one sided it seems for the one and only clan that there is at the moment.
I know it encourages people to start a clan or join a clan to put themselves in that position as well.
But at the moment with there being so few clans it just seems like a bad idea to me.
For example I could say why not start up a separate Clan Event Ladder and Single Even Ladder.
But the Clan Event Ladder would have all LocK players and very few Crucible members and that's it.
I just think it's something that needs to be added in the future when/if more clans start appearing. :)

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We were seriously hoping people would band together as clans for this. Of course we are going to win if you guys don't group up. Participation in events is mandatory for active clan LocK members, or we'll hand out the boot. The best advice I can give is to form a clan and challenge us. As it stands half of the people that join events are clan LocK members, and I'm sure if it wasn't mandatory there would be less events overall due to lack of signups. Like it or hate it, it is what it is

Out of all the event winners you posted 5/10 top ten are clan LocK

http://annihilus.net/showthread.php?t=11063

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Originally Posted by Drlukifer

We were seriously hoping people would band together as clans for this. Of course we are going to win if you guys don't group up. Participation in events is mandatory for active clan LocK members, or we'll hand out the boot. The best advice I can give is to form a clan and challenge us. As it stands half of the people that join events are clan LocK members, and I'm sure if it wasn't mandatory there would be less events overall due to lack of signups. Like it or hate it, it is what it is

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I understand, and I wish others would band together to challenge LocK clan so it wasn't the only big clan in events.
But as of right now I just feel like it's very abusive having the one and only big clan in such a position of power.
Gold is no laughing matter and there is a lot rewarded for events, most of which at the moment goes to LocK clan.
I don't want LocK clan to get ahead of everyone else just because they're the only clan that exists that plays events.
I just want everyone to have an equal opportunity to win at events even if they aren't in a clan.
Not all people who play games enjoy being team players so making events purely about clans just isn't smart.
Clans and Events are two newer growing areas of Annihilus that need to grow separately before they can work together.
And also solo playing and team playing are two different ways of gaming and there are many more solo players around.
Events are very important to keeping Annihilus alive and healthy I believe, I'm just saying what I think is best for the server.
Like I said before, I think as events are now, playing solo without a clan is pretty much a waste of time and I'd never do it.
So if that's the way I feel, a lot of other players will probably feel the same and not participate also.
I'm aware that someone like myself could make my own clan, if I felt I could handle the position of leading a clan.
But the job of running a clan is really not as easy as it seems and not everyone is up to that sort of challenge.
So basically joining LocK is the only way to benefit in events as of right now until more players make clans themselves.
And I don't see clans getting very big for quite a while, it will just take a bit more time for it to catch on.
It just seems a bit unfair for the event ladder to focus on clans especially at the moment when there are so few around.
I appreciate everything clan LocK is doing for Annihilus, so please don't take this wrong as if I'm against you guys.
I know we had some misunderstandings in the past but I'm not holding a grudge about those things anymore.
It's obvious you guys aren't going anywhere and neither am I, so I'd rather we all just get along.
I know it probably seem's like I'm out to get you guys, but I would've brought this up no matter what clan it was.
I just feel no clan should have this advantage as of right now, it seem's very unfair and could be bad for events and Annihilus all together.

@Savior Your point about only being able to benefit from events by joining clan lock isn't exactly valid. Sure, the event ladder is one thing that they have a clear advantage with, and that is something that will be changing, however for the events themselves it does not matter if you are in a clan or not. Everyone who participates has an equal chance at winning them as everyone else.

We have already diversified the times that we run events somewhat, and that will continue to be expanded on, but I'll also say that I'm going to be adding a PvM boss speedrun event starting in February to try and add some competition to the PvM side of things.

Let me know if you have any more ideas.

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Originally Posted by acyroma

@Savior Your point about only being able to benefit from events by joining clan lock isn't exactly valid. Sure, the event ladder is one thing that they have a clear advantage with, and that is something that will be changing, however for the events themselves it does not matter if you are in a clan or not. Everyone who participates has an equal chance at winning them as everyone else.

We have already diversified the times that we run events somewhat, and that will continue to be expanded on, but I'll also say that I'm going to be adding a PvM boss speedrun event starting in February to try and add some competition to the PvM side of things.

Let me know if you have any more ideas.

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Sorry if something I said was misunderstood or said wrong.
I didn't mean them being in a clan gave them an advtantage of winning the events.
I just meant being in a clan gave them the advantage of winning the event ladder altogether.
So the 1# prize every time would go to LocK clan simply because all their points add up. ;)

Just to point out. I have Acyroma hand the gold out equally to everyone that participated in the events, this is how the gold was handled last Event Ladder winnings:

Hello my clan. We have won December Event Ladder Rank Gold Winnings! Yay! LocK continues to be proven over and over again as the #1 Clan on BOTH servers!

Here is how we are distributing the gold equally out.

Revandarth - 650 GOLD
Brimstonejack - 1000 GOLD
LocKziLLa 1000 Gold
Samiam - 650 GOLD
Eric - 650 GOLD
DrLukifer - 1000 GOLD

Your going to have a total of 4950 GOLD SENT. The other 50 reminder gold will go to me.
These are based of whom won. BlueVex aka Chris doesn't want any GOLD. He donates his gold to Myles
So I didn't count him in this. and certainly not going to have him donate Event Ladder winnings to Myles

I simply did the math. How many times a single clan person has carried us through events.

Revandarth got 1 point
Brimstonejack got 2 points
Lockzilla got 2 points
Samiam got 1 point
Eric got 1 point
DrLukifer got 2 points
Bluevex got 2 points (but hes not including on this)


So my point is, not one person is making a BIG get rich scheme with gold. As you can see, it was handle equally out to everyone who participate in the events and got us a point.

I'm also aware that you divide the winnings equally, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still the top prize.
It's still unfair that with Lock Clan winning every time they will always get to divide the top prize.
No matter who's getting it in the clan, it's still being given to your clan, and overtime your clan is still being benefited most.
With the way the server is right now, with the amount of clans there are, every single event ladder will be won by LocK clan.
And that is a fact until someone else makes a clan, simply because the points from all clan members being added together.
I'm just saying if all players points were separate, other players would actually have a chance at getting the top prize.
It's impossible for anyone to compete with an entire clans points combined, unless they have a clan or are in a clan.
Solo Event Ladder and Clan Event Ladder should be two separate things or events are just there to feed gold to Lock Clan.
Or to feed any other clan that could eventually be made and decides to take advantage of the situation.
And then once it gets competitive no solo player will ever win in the event ladder ever again.
It's just set up very wrong in my eyes, the clan event ladder points adding is a great idea, I just think it should be seperate.
And I think it should be added later on when there are more clans because like I said, LocK clan will always win.
Clans are basically non existent on Annihilus, LocK clan is the 1 and only clan here that does anything really.
Yeah there's a few others but they're all just for show and they arent very big or active at all, so it's like they don't exist.
Anything to do with clans should wait, because Annihilus has only 1 clan, or atleast only 1 good clan, and that is Lock Clan.

I would agree with you on the solo clan ladder, but there isnt enough clans. This was designed to push people to make clans. So separating both of them won't work. Not to mention that's more gold going out each month.

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Originally Posted by Lockzilla

I would agree with you on the solo clan ladder, but there isnt enough clans. This was designed to push people to make clans. So separating both of them won't work. Not to mention that's more gold going out each month.

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Well I'd say changing it to ranking people based on their own points earned would be better if only 1 option would be chosen.
But if the event prizes were lowered then maybe both of them could possibly be added.

Well were going to hopefully find an initiative for people to make clans. As for the ladder ranks, we will see if clans pick up after the reset, if not, then we'll have to do something else. I 100% agree with you though, one clan shouldn't be getting all the reward.

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Originally Posted by Savior

Well I'd say changing it to ranking people based on their own points earned would be better if only 1 option would be chosen.
But if the event prizes were lowered then maybe both of them could possibly be added.

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I don't see how this isn't an equal opportunity. Banking points is our clan effort. If you aren't in a clan, but you're winning the events you are in fact getting gold. If you make more points than our clan you get the event gold. Knowing the advantages of being in a clan, then still not joining or making one seems silly to me. I can see your point. 1 individual scored higher than any individual in our clan, but knowing this is a team effort and still not finding a team, you're going to be lower on the scoreboard naturally.

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Originally Posted by Drlukifer

I don't see how this isn't an equal opportunity. Banking points is our clan effort. If you aren't in a clan, but you're winning the events you're are in fact getting gold. If you make more points than our clan you get the event gold. Knowing the advantages of being in a clan, then still not joining or making one seems silly to me. I can see your point. 1 individual scored higher than any individual in our clan, but knowing this is a team effort and still not finding a team, you're going to be lower on the scoreboard naturally.

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Just like you just said, the person who put the most effort in was that 1 person not in your clan.
So if he scored higher than anyone he should get the top prize in my opinion.
And if your defense is he should join a clan or make one, that just seems like a foolish way to fix the situation.
That's basically like saying join LocK if you want to win events, because their are no others.
Or make a clan of your own which isn't exactly the easiest thing do to.
If it was easy, there would be more clans around and this wouldn't be a problem in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Savior

Just like you just said, the person who put the most effort in was that 1 person not in your clan.
So if he scored higher than anyone he should get the top prize in my opinion.
And if your defense is he should join a clan or make one, that just seems like a foolish way to fix the situation.
That's basically like saying join LocK if you want to win events, because their are no others.
Or make a clan of your own which isn't exactly the easiest thing do to.
If it was easy, there would be more clans around and this wouldn't be a problem in the first place.

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Last time I checked it was 8-24 or something. So actually he didn't score higher. But he probably won more event gold than any one of us just from participating and winning events. If not making or joining a clan is your choice then in my opinion you are choosing to not take advantage of this... Advantage. Andy has already said the rules will change, but this wasn't a secret. We aren't going to lose if there's no competition.

Ps-. Clan LocK recruitment status: Closed

He scored higher individually, and yes he won more gold than any of you did because he was solo.
But the fact remains, it was 8-24?(or something), with the clan points being combined in effect.
If points werent added together, he wouldve gotten first place and he would've gotten even more gold for himself.
If LocK clan didnt exist, this clan event ladder would also never exist either so it doesn't make sense to me.
Something to do with clans shouldnt be put into action until there are enough clans to make it work properly.
And players shouldn't be forced to take advantage of making a clan just because LocK clan was created.
Events never would've changed in the favor of clans if LocK clan was never started a while ago.
So for someone to have to make a clan or join a clan to get an advantage as you said in my opinion is just wrong.
New players don't have clans and new players aren't experienced enough to make a clan themselves.
Also Lock clan recruiting is closed and there are no other clans to join that are well put together like LocK clan is.
And even if there were, most clans wont recruit people who aren't experienced so noobs are disadvantaged.
There should be no "advantage" to events, events should be completely based off the skill of the 1 person doing them.
It's not fair that someone in LocK clan who gets 1 point can get gold but someone solo with 1 point gets nothing.
I just don't see it the way you see it I guess, I'd greatly prefer if the Clan Event Ladder was changed to Solo.
Even if 10 more clans were added, I still think having it solo is a much much much much MUCH better idea.

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Originally Posted by Savior

He scored higher individually, and yes he won more gold than any of you did because he was solo.
But the fact remains, it was 8-24?(or something), with the clan points being combined in effect.
If points werent added together, he wouldve gotten first place and he would've gotten even more gold for himself.
If LocK clan didnt exist, this clan event ladder would also never exist either so it doesn't make sense to me.
Something to do with clans shouldnt be put into action until there are enough clans to make it work properly.
And players shouldn't be forced to take advantage of making a clan just because LocK clan was created.
Events never would've changed in the favor of clans if LocK clan was never started a while ago.
So for someone to have to make a clan or join a clan to get an advantage as you said in my opinion is just wrong.
New players don't have clans and new players aren't experienced enough to make a clan themselves.
Also Lock clan recruiting is closed and there are no other clans to join that are well put together like LocK clan is.
And even if there were, most clans wont recruit people who aren't experienced so noobs are disadvantaged.
There should be no "advantage" to events, events should be completely based off the skill of the 1 person doing them.
It's not fair that someone in LocK clan who gets 1 point can get gold but someone solo with 1 point gets nothing.
I just don't see it the way you see it I guess, I'd greatly prefer if the Clan Event Ladder was changed to Solo.
Even if 10 more clans were added, I still think having it solo is a much much much much MUCH better idea.

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Youre acting like participants dont win gold for winning events. The chances are there for everybody. But to try to win a ''Clan event ladder'' solo, its going to be rough and the odds will be against you. These are the rules we've read and followed, and they werent made specifically to benefit us at all. They were made to group more clans together in general. I've said from day 1, we're hoping to see some competition, and we would never back down from a points wager.

I can see where we are at a disagreement. You're hoping for a solo event ladder, Im hoping for more clans. I cant force anyone to join or make a clan, but literally nothing is stopping you, but yourself.

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Originally Posted by Drlukifer

Youre acting like participants dont win gold for winning events. The chances are there for everybody. But to try to win a ''Clan event ladder'' solo, its going to be rough and the odds will be against you. These are the rules we've read and followed, and they werent made specifically to benefit us at all. They were made to group more clans together in general. I've said from day 1, we're hoping to see some competition, and we would never back down from a points wager.

I can see where we are at a disagreement. You're hoping for a solo event ladder, Im hoping for more clans. I cant force anyone to join or make a clan, but literally nothing is stopping you, but yourself.

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I'm hoping for more clans on Annihilus also more than anything, and not even for events just because clans are great.
And like I said before, I''ve been planning to make one of my own eventually next ladder when I get motivated enough.
I wasn't insinuating that LocK clan made the Clan Event Ladder for their own benefit or anything.
Because with or without it you guys would still earn just as much if not more individually.
I just don't like how it seems like the 1st prize is off limits to solo players and always will be.
And in due time, the entire event ladder will be full of clans and no solo players will ever have a chance.
I love clans, but I think events we're originally designed to be a solo experience to begin with.
No matter what anyone says, I believe a Solo Event Ladder is 100% necessary.
A clan event ladder seems like a secondary idea when compared to a solo one, or at least to me it does.
But I don't even play events anyways, I just love Annihilus and want it to grow and be fun for all types of players. :o
An added clan event ladder with separate prizes would be great eventually when there were more clans.
But as of right now, I just don't like how there's 1 clan and the events are based around clans.
Diablo has always been a solo player game mostly, so events probably shouldn't revolve around clans which haven't ever really been a big part of D2 altogether.

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Originally Posted by Savior

I'm hoping for more clans on Annihilus also more than anything, and not even for events just because clans are great.
And like I said before, I''ve been planning to make one of my own eventually next ladder when I get motivated enough.
I wasn't insinuating that LocK clan made the Clan Event Ladder for their own benefit or anything.
Because with or without it you guys would still earn just as much if not more individually.
I just don't like how it seems like the 1st prize is off limits to solo players and always will be.
And in due time, the entire event ladder will be full of clans and no solo players will ever have a chance.
I love clans, but I think events we're originally designed to be a solo experience to begin with.
No matter what anyone says, I believe a Solo Event Ladder is 100% necessary.
A clan event ladder seems like a secondary idea when compared to a solo one, or at least to me it does.
But I don't even play events anyways, I just love Annihilus and want it to grow and be fun for all types of players. :o
An added clan event ladder with separate prizes would be great eventually when there were more clans.
But as of right now, I just don't like how there's 1 clan and that 1 clan for the moment will always gain 1st prize.

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There cannot be both. Some of our members would be ''doubling up'' on event ladder winnings, and people arent going to like that either.

For sure there cannot be both right now, not until there's multiple clans for competition. Once there's multiple clans that would compete I see no problem with having a clan event ladder.

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Originally Posted by Drlukifer

There cannot be both. Some of our members would be ''doubling up'' on event ladder winnings, and people arent going to like that either.

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Well then I'd say stick to one solo event ladder, but that's my opinion.
Or just have two separate ladders and lower the gold winnings for each of them.

EDIT: And yes, like acyroma said, obviously a clan event ladder wouldn't work with no other clans.
But just the fact that there are so little clans makes what I'm saying seem to make even more sense.
The one and only event ladder we have shouldnt have anything to do with clans if there are so few clans at the moment.

Also making clan ladder only makes sense if there are none or almost none FFA events during regular "season" where you basically cannot control at all if clans cooperate or not. After so many years of watching/playing clanwars I can only say the urge to win was so strong in european private duelling, that most of the clans rather lost some group duel just to avoid team from same clan in semifinals etc... And if they saw their teammates had more chances to win another enemy clan, they willingly let them progress in tournament just to earn some more clan points in ladder. :)
Not we have some many clans here on Annihilus or even so many take part of events but it still something that needs to be taken into consideration. Why is it ranked ladder if only one clan can win it? And the biggest, not the best clan gets the most points as it is set up right now. If there are 60 players from clan XY playing ironman, what are chances you are going to be 1st or 2nd or 3rd with your average 3-5 people clan? Definitely not big, I would say.

Not saying LocK wouldnt win ladder even if there were 10 or 100 clans on Annihilus but I just think these ladder are not very accurate measurements of clan full capability as it is now.