Tornado druid 5.0 [ Video ]

[Scorchz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnF24OnT9wc


I decided to make a video to make things more clear and accurate.

My question is : Does the nado druid is in a good spot right now ? considering he take 1:00 to kill 1st cruci boss WITCH HES NOT IMMUNE TO COLD.

considering , multi other char can slam him in 5 seconds , i think the people who claim druid are in a good spot clearly didnt test their damage quite well.

I understand crucible wasn't made for soloing content , but this boss isn't supose to take 1 Mins to kill with a nado druid , i cant even think trying the 2nd boss and so on :o

And with the gear I have , Witch is pretty much end game , 22k nado shouldn't take 1mins to kill chimera.

I am not here to whine about the recent nerf , cause i play other char , but i do fell druid needs somethings. maybe increase the FPS to 5 insted of 8 , or increase the damage

I love ele druid , and I'd like to see them more in line with other builds , I'm not asking to make them like in 4.0 , but just a little bit better for 5.0 :)

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I'm I the only one that tried nado druid in 5.0 ? What do you guys think ?

Lets discuss

[spdkllz]

Not to rain on your rant, but the video shows you killing him in 20 seconds from 0:45 to 1:05, did you mean to link to another video?

That hiccup aside, an echoes barb, which is 10x cheaper to gear than what you have, kills about at the same speed, so there is that.

[sleezy2]

Hade the same issue with fire druid. With elite gear its just mediocre. Was fun, but when comparing to other builds the gear is better else where

[Scorchz]

I mean , i understand the statement that some class has to be weaker etc etc , but with this amount of gear i have , a WC barb with odium can kill it faster or a GA bow zon or w/e , Windy are fun , but fell out of the line at some points

[Savior]

It would really be nice to see more wind Druids again.
I know they were overused before, but now they're very underused.
It's almost like they've become Hammerdins, which no one ever uses anymore.
Your video shows that the Druid is still strong, but maybe still a bit less than it should be.
Your gear setup is nearly impossible to improve on so you've kind of hit the ceiling.
I'd say the amount of damage you're doing isn't really a big problem though.
I think many of the later Mythic bosses other than Chimera are way too overpowered.
Even with my war cry Barbarian, I do decent damage, but I have no hopes of survival.
Even with a strong team of characters will all Max Resists and tons of life, we all die in 1-2 hits.
I entered level 12 Crucible yesterday with 4-5 strong players in my party and Cain killed us all.
The second we entered, we didn't even get a chance to move, Cain just killed everyone 1 shot.
And not only Cain but plenty of other bosses and monsters have attacks that are way too strong.
Sss'Haa for example also can kill nearly anyone in 1 shot and also any enemy using Magic attacks.
To be completely honest, Patch 5.0 has had me playing less than any prior patch before it.
Difficulty is raised, drops are harder to get, the entire server is kind of just getting harder in every way.
When I first joined Annihilus, I thought it was hard as it was, but now it's on a whole new level.
I like how the bosses heal now but adding the heal and raising the damage of bosses was too much IMO.
I'd prefer if their life and heal was raised even further and their damage lessened.
Getting 1 shotted with nearly 10k life and nearly max everything is the worst feeling imaginable. :(

[rrra]

I haven't played nado druid this ladder at all. But I played it last ladder. You gear is excellent of course. There is one thing you are missing though that would help a ton: an enchant sorc. That was a big reason why nado druids were so unbalanced last ladder. You could just stack pierce and tank stats and make up the damage with 100%+ elemental damage from enchant. With as well geared as you are, you should be able to get up to 40k with a good chantress.

You killed the chimera in about 20 seconds. Unfortunately, I don't have a good frame of reference to evaluate this precisely. That is, I don't know how fast a similarly well-geared guided arrow zon or warcry barb for example would take down the chimera. Without that precise frame of reference, the following is just pure speculation.

I suspect its true that there are a fair number of builds right now that just aren't up to par with the very top tier builds and could use a few buffs. It's great that we are increasing/removing the damage cap. But it seems that - based on my admittedly perspective - that the same effort that went into increasing/removing the damage cap should be brought into bringing other specs up to the same level as the specs that are literally breaking the game. This most recent patch did a lot to make additional specs viable, especially in comparison to last ladder. So props to you Game and everyone helped get ready for that. But there still is a lot of potential to make even more specs up to that same level as the specs breaking the damage cap. My main example for this - even though I'm not a huge fan of this type of build personally - is nova. It basically does the same thing as warcry except it has 1/4 the damage and no stun. It could stand to be drastically buffed in my opinion. Speaking for my own self-interest, I would love if nado druids were stronger. I have a frostmourne I can't sell and nado druids are basically the only spec that uses it. So buff nado druids and make me rich please. ;)

[vaudeville]

You also ought to consider that Tornado druid might benefit from items which will be added later and that's not including a similar Christmas special event/items. I already heard a Cold Armor is in the works, and imo, there should be a Druid Elemental helmet added as well.

Still, Tornado Druid does seem pretty weak right now with that setup. Obviously some chants would help, but that boss should have melted in seconds.

I'd also add that the Lightning Javazon doesn't seem to be in such a good spot right now either. Not terrible, but not great either.

[tears]

100% agree with you scorch. I think the last nerf to tornado was a bit too much its pretty shit now. I think the nerfs have been blown way out of proportion. It's not like tornado is a skill u can just sit back with and kill everything like guided arrow. You have to be right up on their shit to do full damage and it's not like you're leeching life with tornado. Tornado has definitely been overly nerfed to garbage, which sucks to see because i've been building one myself, but seeing this makes me pretty hesitant to continue :/

[vaudeville]

How are you getting one shotted with that much life and I assume max and physical resist? My Bowzon can pretty easily stand up to the Uldryssian so long as I can heal myself by attacking him and that's with max res less than 90% and maybe 4k life with bo.

On another note, I thought you and some of your usual guys were more than equipped to do Crucible. What gives?

[Game]

It would really be nice to see more wind Druids again.
I know they were overused before, but now they're very underused.
It's almost like they've become Hammerdins, which no one ever uses anymore.
Your video shows that the Druid is still strong, but maybe still a bit less than it should be.
Your gear setup is nearly impossible to improve on so you've kind of hit the ceiling.
I'd say the amount of damage you're doing isn't really a big problem though.
I think many of the later Mythic bosses other than Chimera are way too overpowered.
Even with my war cry Barbarian, I do decent damage, but I have no hopes of survival.
Even with a strong team of characters will all Max Resists and tons of life, we all die in 1-2 hits.
I entered level 12 Crucible yesterday with 4-5 strong players in my party and Cain killed us all.
The second we entered, we didn't even get a chance to move, Cain just killed everyone 1 shot.
And not only Cain but plenty of other bosses and monsters have attacks that are way too strong.
Sss'Haa for example also can kill nearly anyone in 1 shot and also any enemy using Magic attacks.
To be completely honest, Patch 5.0 has had me playing less than any prior patch before it.
Difficulty is raised, drops are harder to get, the entire server is kind of just getting harder in every way.
When I first joined Annihilus, I thought it was hard as it was, but now it's on a whole new level.
I like how the bosses heal now but adding the heal and raising the damage of bosses was too much IMO.
I'd prefer if their life and heal was raised even further and their damage lessened.
Getting 1 shotted with nearly 10k life and nearly max everything is the worst feeling imaginable. :(

Just a heads up, damage was not raised on any bosses in 5.0.

[Savior]

How are you getting one shotted with that much life and I assume max and physical resist? My Bowzon can pretty easily stand up to the Uldryssian so long as I can heal myself by attacking him and that's with max res less than 90% and maybe 4k life with bo.

On another note, I thought you and some of your usual guys were more than equipped to do Crucible. What gives?

I wish I knew how I was getting 1 shotted.

I have nearly max magic/physical resists, doubt any more would make much of a difference.

Not sure how you survive, maybe you dodge the attacks because you're an Amazon.

And I only have a War Cry Barb, and he's geared quite nicely, but alone I can only make it to Level 12 Crucible.
Can't kill twins without someone else who's as strong as me or stronger and there aren't many people around who are.
But even getting help, I'd still not be having fun knowing that my character was dying so fast with no way to avoid it.

[Savior]

Just a heads up, damage was not raised on any bosses in 5.0.

Well that's weird because I had a Paladin last ladder with the same setup as my Barb but less life.
And Sss'haa never came close to killing me ever, and Cain never killed me ever either.
But with my Barb it's almost always instantly dead 1 hit from either of them which baffles me.
Even the new Cthulhu hits way too hard in my opinion, to the point that it's almost stupid to try.
Also packs of Nihlathak's and D'endrah's in the Crucible are so dangerous that it's not even funny.
I'd prolly also get 1 shotted by Azmodan and other Mythic bosses if I ever got the chance to fight them.
It's gotten to the point that I've stopped playing Annihilus entirely lately because it's too hard.
It's become to time consuming and frustrating to play Annihilus with no prize at the end of it all.
And sorry Game, I don't like being one of the people who complains and makes your day harder.
Trust me, I really don't, I love so much about Annihilus, I'm just sick of dying with no solution.
If the enemies I mentioned didn't hit so hard and drops were slightly increased I'd be playing my dream game.

[tears]

Well that's weird because I had a Paladin last ladder with the same setup as my Barb but less life.
And Sss'haa never came close to killing me ever, and Cain never killed me ever either.
But with my Barb it's almost always instantly dead 1 hit from either of them which baffles me.
Even the new Cthulhu hits way too hard in my opinion, to the point that it's almost stupid to try.
Also packs of Nihlathak's and D'endrah's in the Crucible are so dangerous that it's not even funny.
I'd prolly also get 1 shotted by Azmodan and other Mythic bosses if I ever got the chance to fight them.
It's gotten to the point that I've stopped playing Annihilus entirely lately because it's too hard.
It's become to time consuming and frustrating to play Annihilus with no prize at the end of it all.
And sorry Game, I don't like being one of the people who complains and makes your day harder.
Trust me, I really don't, I love so much about Annihilus, I'm just sick of dying with no solution.
If the enemies I mentioned didn't hit so hard and drops were slightly increased I'd be playing my dream game.
well everything you named is deadly to any build. You have to learn how to play around it. I can tell you right now barb is the best crucible leader in the game right now hands down.

[tears]

the game isn't even hard you're just playing it wrong lol. If you wanna stop complaining about dying so much then stop playing warcry barb

[aolin]

I dont believe that any of these mobs hit too hard or have any true 1 shot mechanics, everything is avoidable or able to be nullified with gear to some extent, my sin has no problems with any of the crucible mobs except the ones that curse me. (curse immu enchant pls) the crucible and mythic bosses arn't meant to be solo'd easily.

[liumtra]

the only problem i have is chutulu 1shotting my pally with his lightning thing. other than that my pally is good.

and my barb wearing the same gear as my pally gets 1shotte by ssshaa dunno why

[tears]

eviscerate has always one shot or atleast done a shitload of damage, has it not?

[Savior]

the game isn't even hard you're just playing it wrong lol. If you wanna stop complaining about dying so much then stop playing warcry barb

I don't want to get into a big argument over all this so I'm just going to ignore you.

[Savior]

I dont believe that any of these mobs hit too hard or have any true 1 shot mechanics, everything is avoidable or able to be nullified with gear to some extent, my sin has no problems with any of the crucible mobs except the ones that curse me. (curse immu enchant pls) the crucible and mythic bosses arn't meant to be solo'd easily.

You don't believe it, but it's true, or why would I complain about it.

Also, there is a Curse Immune Enchant already, but good luck ever getting it on your item. *face palm*

And yeah, I'm not asking to solo bosses, I didn't say I'm having trouble damaging anything.
It's how fast you are able to die on this server, it's far too high in some areas for my liking.

Can we please get back to the topic about Wind Druid?

[Lampogriz]

I agree, with high end gear you should kill first crucible boss in about 3-5 seconds. Scorch, can you make video with other levels of crucible? And also i'd like to see that druid with dreamlands + lich king benchmark.
Dont forget about precasting enchant with flame horizon sword.

[norp]

I disagree my druid is at almost 30 k nado with having all gear yet to ench 11 k hp clearing everything without problems i think u just need to put more time into ur druid and you will be fine

[RevanDarth]

Just git gud boys :D

[Lampogriz]

yeah try harder -_-

[Scorchz]

I ofcourse need to put ench , but i went with the most dmg output gear i could. The point is , this boss is supose to be melted with my current gear.

I don't understand how you can get 30k dmg and 12k like if you're using a 1hander and a shield. Maybe bane but i doubt enchant on items would give me 8k dps.

Unless i use caster set , i go to 14k , but its not a matter of taughness at all , beside caster set does 5k less then my current set up

I will do more testing tonight aswell ! Stay tuned

[norp]

who said im using 1 hander lul

im running caster set with stacked out on skillers with a shitton of facets this is strongest setup there is right now!

[vaudeville]

I know the topic is on Cold Druids, but lmk if you want to run crucible savior. I think I can manage with either my bowzon or Necro. Hit me up in discord (more convenient for me).

[vaudeville]

I know the topic is on Cold Druids, but lmk if you want to run crucible savior. I think I can manage with either my bowzon or Necro. Hit me up in discord (more convenient for me).

Also, yes some of the mobs in the levels are rough. Sand-dwellers if you're not careful (emphasis on not careful), the necro guy is really annoying, lvl 10 with a bunch of Azathoths (in which case you should call a summoning necro), lvl 11 with Mechanized Archers and Jinns, and lvl 14 is just a complete bitch.

Also, I don't get why Sssh'aaa seems to 1 shot more now or something.

[Scorchz]

who said im using 1 hander lul

im running caster set with stacked out on skillers with a shitton of facets this is strongest setup there is right now!

Strange , my caster set is fully facet to , and fm does more , you have A special druid!

Beside , you have almost 8k more then me ? Onlything messing is nado anni , witch doesnt give 8k,

Id be interested in seing a screenshot of your damage without an enchantress , cuz it seems caster set does wayyyy less dans fm with xeph and dual soj

[rrra]

So Sss'haa's ranged attack (eviscerate - its procs on the sword he drops) was buffed fairly significantly at some point recently. I think it was in 5.0. But I don't think it was listed. That's what's causing the oneshots. You need to stack a lot or %DR (probably at least 75 or so, remember that he has 35 physical pierce) to reasonably expect to survive it. But there is a trick you can use to avoid it. He almost never uses it in melee range. So if you can get him to teleport on you or one of your spawns, you will be much safer. A paladin using Akarat's legacy with its holy freeze aura can do this quite easily. You just run behind the house near him. Then the aura pulse causes him to teleport onto you and you just hack away. That's the easiest way to deal with him. I can upload a video on this technique if anyone is interested.

[Lampogriz]

easy calculation:

Full ctulhu set (perf stat) : 21 skills, 40% dmg, 50% pierce, 50% evade, 500hp, immune curse, lot of fhr/fcr/frw, 15% magic/phys resist, 30 all stats, 25% vita , 500 laek, 6 sockets
fm + emblem + sojs + xeph (perf stat) : 12 skills, 110% dmg, 50 pierce, 5max resist, 15% light absorb, small amount of fcr/fhr, revives, 5 sockets

Fm is good only because it provides revives, thats usefull on lvl 14 crucible lvl, but overall ctulhu set wins hands down

[norp]

Strange , my caster set is fully facet to , and fm does more , you have A special druid!

Beside , you have almost 8k more then me ? Onlything messing is nado anni , witch doesnt give 8k,

Id be interested in seing a screenshot of your damage without an enchantress , cuz it seems caster set does wayyyy less dans fm with xeph and dual soj

will get you a ss later on :)

[Scorchz]

easy calculation:

Full ctulhu set (perf stat) : 21 skills, 40% dmg, 50% pierce, 50% evade, 500hp, immune curse, lot of fhr/fcr/frw, 15% magic/phys resist, 30 all stats, 25% vita , 500 laek, 6 sockets
fm + emblem + sojs + xeph (perf stat) : 12 skills, 110% dmg, 50 pierce, 5max resist, 15% light absorb, small amount of fcr/fhr, revives, 5 sockets

Fm is good only because it provides revives, thats usefull on lvl 14 crucible lvl, but overall ctulhu set wins hands down

But skills doesnt give much dmg compare to ele% , exemple Belial book didn't even give 1k dps to my nados

Edit : not trying to argue , cuz if caster set is better , ill just swap to it , but fm seems to do more nonetheless

[Scorchz]

will get you a ss later on :)


Aight ! Thx !

[Scorchz]

Did the test , the caster set do does a little but more damage ! i was playing it wrong ! sorry for the little argument :) !

[vaudeville]

It happens.

[Game]

Did the test , the caster set do does a little but more damage ! i was playing it wrong ! sorry for the little argument :) !

I feel like Tornado is very close to the right spot, I will be increasing its damage synergy very slightly in 5.1, this should put it where it needs to be.

[Scorchz]

Awesome :D !

[sleezy2]

Well that's weird because I had a Paladin last ladder with the same setup as my Barb but less life.
And Sss'haa never came close to killing me ever, and Cain never killed me ever either.
But with my Barb it's almost always instantly dead 1 hit from either of them which baffles me.
Even the new Cthulhu hits way too hard in my opinion, to the point that it's almost stupid to try.
Also packs of Nihlathak's and D'endrah's in the Crucible are so dangerous that it's not even funny.
I'd prolly also get 1 shotted by Azmodan and other Mythic bosses if I ever got the chance to fight them.
It's gotten to the point that I've stopped playing Annihilus entirely lately because it's too hard.
It's become to time consuming and frustrating to play Annihilus with no prize at the end of it all.
And sorry Game, I don't like being one of the people who complains and makes your day harder.
Trust me, I really don't, I love so much about Annihilus, I'm just sick of dying with no solution.
If the enemies I mentioned didn't hit so hard and drops were slightly increased I'd be playing my dream game.

well i personally think it could be harder, i really enjoy the challenge. Lets also remember that its meant as a challenge and its team orientated. So maybe try building a team and heroes that will compliment the crucible. There are plenty of new OP builds right now to try, maybe instead of playing what was good last patch. try some of then new skills that were changed or new items!! even last seasons builds wont feel nearly as good because of enemys increased life. i still agree that nados got nerfed to much, especially when so many skills got buffed. Also tried out armagedon and its slightly lack luster due to fire res issues. had almost same gear as golem sorc and wasnt even close to the same damage output.

CANT wait for the next level in crucible so tears will start playing his barb again and stop thinking that game is too ezzz

[Scorchz]

well i personally think it could be harder, i really enjoy the challenge. Lets also remember that its meant as a challenge and its team orientated. So maybe try building a team and heroes that will compliment the crucible. There are plenty of new OP builds right now to try, maybe instead of playing what was good last patch. try some of then new skills that were changed or new items!! even last seasons builds wont feel nearly as good because of enemys increased life. i still agree that nados got nerfed to much, especially when so many skills got buffed. Also tried out armagedon and its slightly lack luster due to fire res issues. had almost same gear as golem sorc and wasnt even close to the same damage output.

CANT wait for the next level in crucible so tears will start playing his barb again and stop thinking that game is too ezzz

i really like to increase difficulty as well , but it has made some older build pretty meh , Like psn necro , FF bow zon , and so on , my idea would be to adjust with time , cuz it fells weird to see no FF zon out there haha

[rattan]

I agree, with high end gear you should kill first crucible boss in about 3-5 seconds.

Should you though?
Also lich king and 3/4 of dreamlands isn't even considered endgame. So i'm not sure what such a video would provide, might as well post pits while you're at it.