Pieces of Puzzles

[nedamettin]

As we all know, farming puzzles in a pain in the butt and a huge topic in the community. Inconsistency and RNG of it makes it an obnoxious experience, at least for me.

What I want to recommend is to have pieces of puzzles. This system can work in a few ways:

A) Have a specific route for specific pieces of puzzle. For example to get the Mark of Sin, you need to get pieces from each Diablo variants available in game. 1/1 for Omega, 1/10 for Old Diablo and 1/30 for Vanilla Diablo for example.

B) Have a way higher drop rate version of a single puzzle as pieces. When you cube a certain amount of them, cube to get a whole puzzle to unlock the content. This way allows world puzzles like Trag'Oul to be available as well, since they have no specific location(s) to farm.

"What would this do in our lives?" is the big question here. To have less RNG reliable drops would allow a person to farm specific marks with much less frustration. They would make great currencies as only things we have currency-wise are HR's and maybe divine gems. Also people can farm in split games to get pieces and combine them which would make having a group a benefit.

I'd really appreciate your thoughts and feedback on this subject, because most of the people I am in touch are complaining about how marks are purely RNG based and very unpleasant to farm.

[sleezy2]

As we all know, farming puzzles in a pain in the butt and a huge topic in the community. Inconsistency and RNG of it makes it an obnoxious experience, at least for me.

What I want to recommend is to have pieces of puzzles. This system can work in a few ways:

A) Have a specific route for specific pieces of puzzle. For example to get the Mark of Sin, you need to get pieces from each Diablo variants available in game. 1/1 for Omega, 1/10 for Old Diablo and 1/30 for Vanilla Diablo for example.

B) Have a way higher drop rate version of a single puzzle as pieces. When you cube a certain amount of them, cube to get a whole puzzle to unlock the content. This way allows world puzzles like Trag'Oul to be available as well, since they have no specific location(s) to farm.

"What would this do in our lives?" is the big question here. To have less RNG reliable drops would allow a person to farm specific marks with much less frustration. They would make great currencies as only things we have currency-wise are HR's and maybe divine gems. Also people can farm in split games to get pieces and combine them which would make having a group a benefit.

I'd really appreciate your thoughts and feedback on this subject, because most of the people I am in touch are complaining about how marks are purely RNG based and very unpleasant to farm.


The problem with your ideas is that the market would be flooded with puzzle items. There are certain people that put in crazy amount of hours farming those mark. could you imagine if it was easier for them!!!

I personally like the rarity of items. It would take away from the experience of actually finding a mark! would also take away from owning that said item, because there would be so many on the server.

RNG has always been in D2 and on anni its way better. How many sojs did you find on vanilla d2?

[nedamettin]

actually my idea does NOT increase the amount of puzzles, it just makes them consistent. right now you can farm a boss a thousand times to get a mark or you can randomly get one while rushing a friend. my solution is fair for players. i assume you got a wrong idea from numbers but that was just a random example

[jurat]

i like the consistency idea. who knows someone may go the whole ladder and not find a single puzzle due to this rng. i know im having the worst of luck with it and by the way things look im never gonna be able to see any of that content. but thats luck with rng. and this idea sovles the crap luck some people may have.

[sleezy2]

you guys will find one. lol, now try to find 20 so you can upgrade your neo anni to vll 4

[jurat]

you guys will find one. lol, now try to find 20 so you can upgrade your neo anni to vll 4

thats kinda the problem with this too. if some people are having problems just finding one how are they expected to fully upgrade their neo anni and seeing as how the trade market is dead as it is (ie trying to find phys gear is one of the main things i see, everyones looking yet not enough gear in ciculation) it will be almost impossible to upgrade that anni either way unless you can play the game 24/7 for the full 6 months of the ladder. theres 50 users average a day(yes ive been looking) based on the puzzle drops say only 3 people a day have a chance to do a puzzle box and lets not mention that the orbs dont always drop so lets say 1 of the 3 gets an orb. so based on this(i may not be correct on drop rates for puzzles or orbs) tthere would only be about 183(half a year is 182.5days) orbs for the whole ladder. 183/50 is 3.65 so out of all 50 people each would be able to get 3 orbs the whole ladder(if they were distributed fairly which is not the case). now i may be wrong on how many puzzle boxes drop a day but doing a little asking in game no one knows where the best place to farm them is other than the marks dropped in worldstone event and even then farming frags CAN be time consuming with this rng. not saying itll take days to farm for frags because ive been lucky enough to get 4 frag sets in a day. but thats aside from the point. that rng will also determine weather youll get the portal or chest and ive been unlucky enough to have all 4 frags be chest. basically the point im trying to make is that not everyone will be able to experience the content they came to annihilus to play and experience and thus the comunnity will not expand but it will enventually decrease and the new players wont stay which is what everyone that actually cares about anni whats is new players to join. not to mention getting geared to be able to complete these puzzle boxes but thats a different subject on its own that i will not discuss in this post haha. also some builds depend on items dropped by these puzzles which if youve seen the trading market right now there isnt much circulating. maybe the new boss drops but again not puzzle related. of course im not stating facts as i dont know how many puzzles are dropped daily or the drop rates of any puzzles for that matter but it seems to be up for discussion alot lately(which means there is a problem even if its not a problem for you) and theres only one way to solve this. discussion with ideas. i know i would like to experience ALL of the puzzles this ladder. and there is what 3 boss specific ones and 3 world drop ones. thats 6 of them all together. what are the chances of finding all 6 of them if your a casual player?

edit: also i can say that from my experiences from last ladder i did tyreal more times than i can count. so many times that i would be giving away his crown because of how many of them i would get. thing is tho i only found 2 of his belts and never did i find an el'druin. and i had a good 3 months time to do all that too till ladder reset. santa was the boss but he only gave 1 key haha

[Lampogriz]

solution in my eyes (was already said in other topic):
New hard inferno zones with puzzle box droprate similar to buster/oculus ring, difficulty should be harder than Crucilbe lvl14
also current puzzle box system (duriel/baal/mark of sin) is BAD

and btw, i've never found any ctogga/tyrael/tragoul box since patch 4.1, its about 8 months of playing.

[sleezy2]

ya still haven't found ctigga/tyrael/trag either. That is a cool idea having an additional area that was harder to farm with higher chance at puzzle's! Would be nice aswell to not just fight boss's. The tops builds right now are single target and there are tons of builds not in use because they are aoe

[Scorchz]

ya still haven't found ctigga/tyrael/trag either. That is a cool idea having an additional area that was harder to farm with higher chance at puzzle's! Would be nice aswell to not just fight boss's. The tops builds right now are single target and there are tons of builds not in use because they are aoe

iso Pit 2.0 area

[Game]

ya still haven't found ctigga/tyrael/trag either. That is a cool idea having an additional area that was harder to farm with higher chance at puzzle's! Would be nice aswell to not just fight boss's. The tops builds right now are single target and there are tons of builds not in use because they are aoe

6 world drop puzzles have been found in the last week, just letting you guys know! It's definitely in a better spot now.

[Lampogriz]

wrong

[Game]

wrong

Sorry but I do not believe you're in a position to tell me I am wrong about this.

[jurat]

6 world drop puzzles have been found in the last week, just letting you guys know! It's definitely in a better spot now.

alright that about sums it up haha. i was doing about 3 per day this is 1 per day haha. its better than before but based on that still would be super hard to upgrade anni

[Game]

alright that about sums it up haha. i was doing about 3 per day this is 1 per day haha. its better than before but based on that still would be super hard to upgrade anni

Neo Annihilus isn't meant to be finished in a week, or not even a month, it is supposed to be something to work on throughout the ladder! Forbidden Charms will be super strong, so getting 4 and especially 5 is game changing.

[jurat]

Neo Annihilus isn't meant to be finished in a week, or not even a month, it is supposed to be something to work on throughout the ladder! Forbidden Charms will be super strong, so getting 4 and especially 5 is game changing.

i figured that haha. my only question is do the orbs drop every time you do one of those bosses?

[Game]

i figured that haha. my only question is do the orbs drop every time you do one of those bosses?

Yep!

[jurat]

alright thats better than a chance at getting one. oh yea isnt there events where prizes could be puzzles because that could sovle this issue to. i remember seeing a post about it a while ago

and edit on my math on a previous pose 183/20 not 50 lol so 9 people would get to fully upgrade there neo anni but out of the 50 average a day i doubt all of them are doing runs to get puzzle drops. so esencially what Alex is telling us is we need to grind our asses off really hard if we want to get this done.

[Game]

Getting level 3 isn't that hard, and that is plenty of power and can still greatly change the power of characters, grinding for the 4th and 5th is just icing on the cake.

[jurat]

Getting level 3 isn't that hard, and that is plenty of power and can still greatly change the power of characters, grinding for the 4th and 5th is just icing on the cake.

i remember seeing something about what orbs drop from who but cant seem to find it. im honestly waiting till the charms to upragde anything atm so its no issue i can see. but from what i remember i could be wrong cthulul also drops lvl 4 orbs soooo you know haha. but hella good work man! i can see the ideas you got coming out really nicely.

[Game]

i remember seeing something about what orbs drop from who but cant seem to find it. im honestly waiting till the charms to upragde anything atm so its no issue i can see. but from what i remember i could be wrong cthulul also drops lvl 4 orbs soooo you know haha. but hella good work man! i can see the ideas you got coming out really nicely.

Thanks :) I will include the orb drop details again when the forbidden charms are added.

[Fitsu]

6 world drop puzzles have been found in the last week, just letting you guys know! It's definitely in a better spot now.

Could we have some info on where they dropped? I'm been farming pretty hardcore and have still yet to see 1.

[sleezy2]

alright that about sums it up haha. i was doing about 3 per day this is 1 per day haha. its better than before but based on that still would be super hard to upgrade anni

? 3 per day this is 1 per day??? u grabbing 1 puzzle key a day?? you farming 24/7?

[Game]

Could we have some info on where they dropped? I'm been farming pretty hardcore and have still yet to see 1.

I've seen a couple off just random vanilla bosses, for example one player got a Mark of Trag'Oul from Nihlathak while farming him for keys.

[jurat]

? 3 per day this is 1 per day??? u grabbing 1 puzzle key a day?? you farming 24/7?

my math is based on the whole server. so 6 puzzles were found in the past week in the whole server. i assumed out of the 50 average a day that 3 were found the whole day. but as alex said there was 6 found in that weeks timeframe so thats about 1 per day a little less than but you get the idea

[Lampogriz]

We need info where did it drop, were used item find or not.

[Game]

my math is based on the whole server. so 6 puzzles were found in the past week in the whole server. i assumed out of the 50 average a day that 3 were found the whole day. but as alex said there was 6 found in that weeks timeframe so thats about 1 per day a little less than but you get the idea

Let me rephrase, 6 that I know of! There could have been more. Find Item was not used Lampogriz, thats irrelevant though as Find Item is not different in any way when it comes to killing monsters and puzzle drops now.

[jurat]

Let me rephrase, 6 that I know of! There could have been more. Find Item was not used Lampogriz, thats irrelevant though as Find Item is not different in any way when it comes to killing monsters and puzzle drops now.

thanks for that clarification! so these are just estimates based on info that is provided. and item find is still useful because you do have a second chance at getting one although the chance will be the same as killing the monster again.

[sleezy2]

Let me rephrase, 6 that I know of! There could have been more. Find Item was not used Lampogriz, thats irrelevant though as Find Item is not different in any way when it comes to killing monsters and puzzle drops now.

I found all my puzzle keys from item find last season. What ever the nerf was to item find, could the bonuses of item find from previous season be applied to the new bad ass pit area in 5.2!! Was there an issue with how many puzzle keys on the server last season? I personally like how rare items are though! makes wearing elite gear that much more enjoyable and gives some more longevity to the game. That being said it would be cool to have a separate area that could have a higher drop rate of puzzle keys it would give the game more diversity in farming and could give more progression to end game. There are a good amount of stepping stones to farm/advance cant wait for the next one! hope its frustratingly hard.

rando off topic...light/ cold sorcs are getting butchered in the field. After testing light sorcs, they are doing good damage wise but lack alot of defensive items. With top tier items on my sorc she was farming final fantasy area at the rate of mid geared bowa/ pounce/ or sumoner. I spent a good amount of time tanking my sorc with a bunch or random miss matched gear and setups, but lost alot of damage. The result almost being the same killing speed because she was unable to kill boss's quick enough and would just die slower. Hook a sub up with bringing christmas early with a north pole marker for all elements!! with maybe even a +10 golem conviction on there!!