I vote no until we can come with a fair way to have for everyone whos been told gold will never be trade able. A fresh start is from what I understand won't happen. So my vote at this time is no.
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I've voted no. However I 100% support the idea of the subscription as a way to support the server. In my personal opinion the platinum was a better idea. If you're going to start a new way of trading through gold everybody should start at the same place. Alex even said it himself "Gold is just there as an extra currency and to give people a little extra for supporting the realm without being able to buy power." Also even said that gold would likely never be tradeable. I have no problem with making gold a more relevant currency HOWEVER it would need to be separate from already existing gold to make it fair and balanced.
currently they are trading hrs, the gold thing hasnt been implimented yet. i still think itll be ok because not everyone is going to be capable of trading gold so peple will have to accept another common currency, its just a concern to keep in mind :P most of us who are posting these types of replies trust your judgement, we just try to chime in so you can quickly see peoples opinions and focus on creating great content lol.
as far as the runewords, most useful runewords are more than 3os. chaos is one of the only useful 3os runewords. granted rws arent meant to be the best of the best here but if you think about it, by the time people actually get magic bases and the runes to make these runewords in there will be plenty of the OP as hell uniques around. i mean alot of uniques have comparable ed AND like +10 billion max damage or + a few hundred grief damage as well. so with all that taken into account I dont see the demand for hrs going up by a significant amount because of the new change. Im super stoked about the changes tho dont get me wrong. I have some op as hell ideas already. like eth rep 1050ed/cb chaos for my wwsin etc etc. and the 12 bonespear whites will be interesting or 30magic/-30magic res/50fcr/8 spear whites :D
I would totally subscribe if trade able gold is set at 0 for everyone, but we dont need joe taking over the economy on day 1 again! otherwise i might just find another game to play. everyone already hates the fact that joe had permission to cheat the system this season.
I never understood why people would stockpile gold in the first place? all gold in my account gets spent like a fat kid in a candy store. unless someone had another "great idea", that one day this would happen! man this sounds way to familiar!!
also didnt like how you couldnt help out drlukifer after all the work he has done in this community. The guy is so nice and helps so many people on here! bet that wouldnt have happened to your prize puppy
otherwise love the patch and cant wait to play the new content. appreciate all the hard work you put into this game! hate sounding like a dick but i felt somone had to say it
Other payment options besides PayPal? (They're under the assumption I owe them money or some shit, dunno why. They negged my account during a time-frame when I was traveling states doing concessions at state fairgrounds for months. (Shreveport (They say "Shreeport")is darker than a night sky.(Don't feed your family fairground food - look up "rehash" and apply that to food.))) Does this patch add any areas that aren't retarded hard for someone who is beginning? I'm not too keen on the idea of the only way of obtaining quality loot is by having it given to you or grinding pits for weeks/months just to have something slightly viable to use. Also, there are uniques that could be done away with entirely. Tired of finding Digglers.
I'm just waiting for the patch. Maybe this "Subscriber" this was an answer to me complaining about how much ive spent over the years with no added benefit. I'm pretty sure I'm somewhere between 3k-7k USD on annihilus alone. This should've been implemented a long time ago.
well the thing is with me person lay gold is a good thing to have around but it just seems a little more on the pay to play side of things it would seem fine if hrs were able to get u gold ? that way if u do have hrs and the hrs can be gold u can still trade and that would get u what u need regardless if u want gold or hrs they would have = value on the server thats the only way i se this working i do not want gold to be traded that is a clear clear way that if u have money u get better stuff and thats not fun if u can spind money on a game that is 4 fun to play
Your attitude really just rubs me the wrong way. I have no "prize puppy" the rules apply to everyone. I am so tired of people acting like I treat Joe any differently, I hardly talk to him and I've had to turn down things for him just like I did lukifer. If Lukifer had an issue that was related to the fault of the server you can bet I would help him in a heartbeat, I really like the guy and would do anything I could for him.
However if I did what your post said and picked who I could trust to bend the rules for and restore a character based on their word then that would make me into the hypocrite you're claiming I am now and that would be "picking favorites". Don't talk down to me about this when what you're saying is flat out contradictory. Naturally you will laugh off everything I said and continue to assume you're right and I am wrong as that is how the human brain works, but seriously sit down and think about everything I just said. Sorry, someone had to say it.
P.S. I am glad you are excited for the new content.
TBH ..if u think u can make this work out alex go at it... you always do good on content i dont think this will be anything u havent workd out in your head alredy keep up the good work
You will loose part of the community with this Alex, if you ask me you should come up with another way. But hey do it your way.. We had enough of Mephisto having head start in everything. Thats a fact.
I wish I could disagree and pretend that my opinion along with almost everyone elses who has posted here is 100% correct (I think we brought up some pretty valid points still) but honestly youre pretty right. I guess this is just the natural flow of things when you have a p2w element in a game. I personally am ok with p2w because im ok with people being richer than me, I'd just hate to see the community get smaller and everyone suffer which is why I posted my thoughts earlier. If you think about it people can already just buy the things they need if they have the cash and someone is offering the item and the people who play still stick around despite mephisto having his way with the market, so maybe we are all just freaking out about stupid crap instead of just enjoying the game. Plus at the end of the day encouraging gold purchases helps us here alot more than some other game that has millions of players and where your money doesnt necessarily help keep the game on a progressive path.
Part of me still agrees with this, but realistically none of us are really providing a better way to both A.) increase reliable revenue and B.) solve the underlying problem. We are just providing a bit of insight that will ultimately just delay the inevitable domination of the economy by rich people and potentially piss them off when they are the ones spending alot of money, or encouraging others to spend it, to get to that point.
I hate to have to really go back on my opinion tbh but thats the reality of our situation until someone provides a legitimate fix that alex will accept and impliment.
Legitimate fix would mean that everybody gets same start, if you ask me, there must be a way to implement another currency, the thing is its not our job to give fixes to something, we can just find a problem and report it, Alex should find a way to make this fair to everyone.
A new currency is super buggy, that is why I removed the Platinum idea, I could not get it to take it how I wanted it. One possible solution would be to make the platinum unspendable but tradeable until a player converts it to Gold. Once it becomes Gold, it is no longer tradeable. This is so sloppy though, so I ditched the idea.
Why not making it so you can convert gold to platinum, like 10-20 gold makes 1 platinum and vice versa. That way rich boys can choose if they want to keep their 5 figure numbers for hadriel or to be able to trade and have 10-20x less.
wouldnt that effectively make it so only people as rich as mephisto would be able to convert their gold to platinum and still be able to buy whatever they want? I personally wouldnt be able to buy anything worthwhile for a very long time :P but then again it WOULD drain their available funds eventually unless they could profit enough to sustain the conversion penalty.
I feel like if anything keeping gold untradable while still implementing the other subscription features would be the best way to go. Even though i would really like to be able to sell items for gold more easily so I can get some gold stockpiled haha. But either way Ill manage and so will you guys.
The thing is it would be unfair to take their gold and adding subscriptions would help server a lot, and many other games have multiple currencies too so why couldnt it be implemented here. Imo the new currency must be convertible. I know its upseting to many players and many of them will leave server if gold becomes tradeable and guys that have been collecting it get another head start. It just seems this server is going along Mephisto's favor. Maybe its a coincidence but hardly.
I think mephisto is just good at stockpiling gold. I dont really think alex makes decisions to benefit him on purpose :P If he did I think he would just make hadriel offer better items haha. And honestly I've known andy for many years, if that was going on he wouldnt want to be a part of this because he has integrity. On a different note im supposedly going to be working under you as an event manager so let me know how i can help :D
Ohh thats nice to know, just come to Discord so we can discuss easily :P
I think that supporting the server is a novel idea, but tradeable gold should be started with a clean slate as a separate entity from in game gold used only for forum trades like d2jsp. This would level the playing field allowing everyone to have a fair chance to start from scratch: rewarding those who have been subscribers for years rather than putting one individual ahead of everyone else because they have stockpiled in game gold. Everyone subscribed gets their 2k gold a month for forum trades and nothing more than that. No ability to purchase it. Allow individuals to continue purchasing in game gold I'd they would like. The perks of being a subscriber alone should be enough incentive to become one, not the allure of satisfying the temptation of greed and gluttony. If you allow in game gold to be tradeable, all you are doing is putting ONE individual in complete control of the economy and a huge chunk of players will quit and move on to greener pastures.
This is the route I am going to go. I grow tired of people feeling like threatening to quit the server is some huge weapon they have over of my head. Obviously I do not want people to quit my server but hearing it as a threat over and over is boring and I am just sick of hearing it. I truly thought doing this would benefit everyone in the long run, but all anyone can see is Mephisto and for some reason just because he literally never spends Gold and is better at the economic game than most seem to be I am automatically giving him massive favoritism somehow, and literally every decision I make about the server is exclusively to make sure Mephisto benefits, if he doesn't gain something from it I absolutely cannot include it in the patch. That is all I think about anytime and everytime I update Annihilus. Because that is obviously the ONLY explanation, it definitely cannot be that they cannot stand the fact he has so much Gold and they don't, even though every single person started with 0 Gold when they began Annihilus, and the same access to EVERYTHING in the game. This cannot be right! Surely Mephisto is cheating or has some sort of secret backing by the higher ups that is me and Acyroma, there is no other reason why he could possibly have more Gold than anyone else!
I am sick to death of these ridiculous accusations, I know I shouldn't let things I know are obviously false get to me, but seeing all of these people (including my own staff of all people) talk about these false accusations as if they are cold hard facts just makes me want to drop the whole thing.
You are right i shouldn't have insinuated that you treat anyone differently, you seem to have a strong sense of integrity when it comes to this game. Although i might not agree with what happened to luke, those are the rules and i respect that
All i know is that you let someone farm diablo soulstones on a previous season (when you only needed 9 keys to get anni vs 54) so that he could sell annis on this season for 2500 a pop (community already pissed) then rules get changed and he can now use that gold he obtained from what a majority of players beleive to be bad manners/exploit.
All people want is to have a fair start.
Joe had 300,000 Gold before he ever sold an anni for Gold, and from what I can recall he didn't even sell that many for Gold, mostly items. Also I specifically said in public several times Diablo's Soulstone will still be the Diablo Clone item, I didn't PM Joe and be like hey man be sure you stock up on Diablo's Soulstones! After he seen me post this on the forum or discord, I cannot remember which, he asked me if Diablo Clone worked like on vanilla servers and if he'd get banned. I said no, it has always been like that, why change it now? I would have said the same thing if ANYONE asked me, because that is simply the truth. If you name a single thing Joe did that gave him the upper hand on you or anyone else, I will admit you're right. That will be pretty hard for you, however. The only thing you can say is you were not aware of how Diablo Clone worked, which isn't Joe's or anyone else's fault but the people who lack knowledge of a mechanic that has been in the game for 15 years. If you thought you knew but were unsure, you could have asked me all the same, just like Joe did. Unfortunately lacking knowledge compared to someone else doesn't make them a cheater, or we'd all be cheaters in some shape or form.
Don't get me wrong here, I love the community and the amazing work you and your team have done on the server. Bloop kind of hit the nail on the head in my opinion. Allowing everyone to start from scratch with subscriber gold that can only be used for forum trades honestly feels like the right thing to do. Keep the in game gold a separate entity from subscriber gold. Give subscribers decent perks that convince them to pay their $15 a month. Make it worthwhile. Also...I'd suggest starting a new poll and allowing us to see who voted yes/no. Anyone can easily make multiple accounts and vote yes. I understand that the idea is to support the server, but what happens when you lose more than half your player base? What's left?
No you didn't pm him. However, one of the mods in your community has a screen shot of a conversation before the ladder reset hit (which a fairly large chunk of your player base has already seen) of another mod caught in a complete and utter lie planning to stockpile annis with Mephisto using the exploit. Why wasn't this brought to your attention before the ladder reset? How is this kind of behavior from individuals YOU have entrusted to do the right thing when you aren't around acceptable? Hmmm? It's an exploit. Plain and simple. What I said wasn't a threat. It's just a fact.
Okay no offense but your serious lack of knowledge is really making this a one sided conversation. Did you not even read my previous post? I was asked if he would be banned for doing a serverwide walk on Diablo Clone, I said of course not, why would you be? It's not an exploit, it's HOW IT WORKS. It is how Diablo Clone has ALWAYS worked since 2002. And who is this other mod? As a matter of fact, why does it matter? This isn't an exploit, if anyone asked me if this was okay I would say sure why not, if you really want to bother farming that many soulstones go for it. Let me see this super evil screenshot that is so powerful and condemning.
By the way, who are you to decide what is an exploit and what isn't? Simply because you were unaware of the mechanics? Sorry friend, it doesn't work that way. Don't come at me with non sense claiming it as a fact just because of your ignorance in the matter.
D CLONE IS NOT A SECRET!! you are acting like joe is so smart. lol. soj being sold to spawn dclone was because of a currency issue. did we have to many diablo soulstones??
Im sick of fighting with you about this. You are standing behind you decision, fine. im just telling you how it looks that is all. if you dont want to look like you favor someone than maybe think about how it will look before making a decision.
I am not acting like Joe is some genius at all, infact I am stating the opposite, and I have said it pretty bluntly multiple times. Joe isn't a genius, other people are just lacking intelligence in the matter. I am closing this thread, I cannot deal with responding to people who only see what they want to see, and are always so sure they are 100% right, regardless of what is laid out in front of them.
It does not work same here and on bnet Alex you know it, getting soulstones was easy last ladder, you could get 300 soulstones in a month easy with help of a few friends. But how long do you think it would take now? You wanted to make annihilus rare but what you did is you gave head start to Joe, im not saying you do it for Joe, im saying you must make things right.
What you saying, people that joined on the start of ladder or 2 weeks before the ladder start could have done it? I dont care about it myself Alex i dont play much, too busy with work, but i still help as much as i can. Thing is i talk in the name of all players here when i say it was utterly unfair from Joe's side to do it. Im not turning against you, dont take me wrong. I helped keep so many players here and i know how it goes. How it went for me.
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I would really like to see that screenshot.