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Hello Annihilus
We have discussed a possibility to give out puzzlebox type items as a reward to event winners, so we need your oppinion on it. Should puzzlebox items be given out on events.
If they should, how do you think it should be done. I am thinking about letting the winner choose what puzzlebox, mark or key and if the winner wants gold. So I will make a poll on it. Vote and let us know what you think.
Also I would like to say that as of now puzzles will not be awarded on every event, we're talking maybe 1-2 events a month. This can always be discussed though.Quote:
Originally Posted by RevanDarth
If they are, I think it should only be on solo-based events as to not allow the top few clans to pretty much hoard all the winnings from them simply because they have the numbers.
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Originally Posted by Fitsu
I agree, that is why we are looking into making new event types, also there are plans for single event ladder, so it will be more fair to players that dont want to join clans.
So even better stuff for clan people that team up? (the clan the event manager is in btw)
As I said before Chris, we are going to make single elimination tournaments, or TvT events, FFA is not gonna be the thing for these types of rewards. Also for those who are not in clan, do not bitch about advantages clans have, you are all welcome to make clans, as a matter of fact we are encouraging team play. If you cannot make your own clan, you can try to join one.
Not to mention clans or not on d2pk. No amount of team play will save ya'll :D
I do not like that idea , simply because it will break the puzzle box rarety with time :(
I dont think it will, 1 or 2 per month is gonna break it lol? thats like 10 or less for a whole ladder?
Also i would like to not take seriously oppinions from people that dont visit the events ever, but i must.
Sorry for double post, but we're into ladder about a month and I have seen people have multiple items that drop from pbox maps and bosses, dont you think there was like 20-30 marks found by now, so 1-2 marks in a month that we wanna give out as an event reward gonna brake it?
think it will work i like the idea
you ask for opinion dont get mad :PQuote:
Originally Posted by RevanDarth
besides , i did join event before you join this server I just stop for some reason
This guy. I have voiced my opinion on Ironman FFA's countless times. Most other servers do not allow teaming up to take out everyone else and then the winners just split the earnings. Please either moderate FFA's more closely and ban team-ups, or hold single elim brackets to make it fair for the newcomers to the server.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitsu
Or...you could take constructive criticism and notice that multiple individuals have constantly voiced their opinions on clan members ganging up on others. Mephisto mentioned that other servers hold ffa tournaments with a no team-up policy. Ignoring said policy results in a ban from tournament action for a fixed amount of time. I like you Revan. You are a stand up guy, and I strongly believe that you being head event manager as well as a part of the clan who partakes in teaming up in FFA's is purely coincidental and there is nothing malicious behind it. Instill the rule of no teaming up in FFA's. If people want team tournaments...just hold them. Ignoring the complaints of many to outweigh the actions of a select few just seems unwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by RevanDarth
1st thing: Teaming in any FFA's is allowed. Only because we cannot moderate them. I cannot in good faith watch an event and say to player 1 to stop attacking player 2 and go attack player 3. It just can't be done. But the other option we can do is single elimination brackets for the events. IF we can get enough signups.
Well I've only really participated in ironmans and im a relatively new player but heres my thoughts:
In ironmans basically one clan will team up and eliminate the competition, effectively securing most, or all, of the rewards for their clan. This isnt unfair by any means. they are putting in team work and a few of them have actual skill so kudos to them. The problem is it doesnt encourage other people to participate in the events.
You can make the argument "other players can make friends and team up against them too" which is 100% correct. But in reality it isnt happening. I mean people could just get along with each other and not go to war with each other, but it doesnt happen in reality.
So for an average player who isnt particularly amazing at d2 who really doesnt have a high chance to win an event they would be better off just farming for 45 mins where they actually have a chance to succeed.
Im fairly skilled at d2 and I dont find it really worth my time either to participate in events even if i had a chance to win them.
Even if you increase the rewards for winning it doesnt make me want to participate more because in reality theres going to be 1-2 players just getting free marks every month and even if I do well in 1/10 events i could have just used that time to farm a mark myself. If anything it just makes a regular person more jealous that a few people get easy marks while the rest of us have to do 1000 diablo runs to drop one.
If you want to get people to get involved in events I think a better way to approach it is to ask yourself "what would make an average player actually want to participate even when they know they probably wont win."
If it was my choice I'd give everyone who participated in an event 150 gold, and the top 3 would get like 750/600/450 and I would have the gms encourage people to join the events more.
Alot of people dont even know how to sign up for an event and just getting a few messages saying "An event is scheduled for 8pm go sign up" doesnt really motivate them to get out of their comfort zones and figure out how to participate.
With all of that said I dont have a huge problem with you turning marks into an event reward, hell if you just want to go ahead and deposit free marks into clan locks clan bank go for it. I personally just want to see more people participate in the events.
Right now the few players who know they are going to get top 3 have a huge incentive to join every event while newer players have almost zero incentive to join.
This may have sounded like Im blaming all of this on clans teaming up but thats only really applicable to ironmans and isnt the fundamental problem either. Its more of a fact that In this small community there's only a couple skilled players so they are going to dominate every event you host. Its not unfair that people should be rewarded for having skill, its just probably not something an average person would want to experience all the time.
to be 100% honest, the skilled players in this game dont even need to be handed free marks, they have plenty of gear. it's the unskilled players that could use some help. you'd be better off giving people an incentive to teach other people how to play. Pay *tearz to teach mofos how to b arb or something :P
Chef just gets excited and brags about everything, hes really a pretty nice guy apart from that so i wouldnt worry about anything he has to say ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by chris
I'm more concerned with the fact that out of the 2 or 3 threads I've read regarding events and rewards, 100% of them had one or more GM from clan lock arguing to keep the reward system structured in a way that benefits their clan rather than the whole of the community. It's not bad to want your clan to succeed of course and its not unfair for good players to get rewards but honestly the players in lock are more than capable of excelling at this game and keeping things biased towards them will probably just frustrate new members. If a GM cares more about helping out their own clan who doesnt even need the help than helping the community that has alot of people struggling I dont really understand the purpose of having a person be a gm. If their only purpose is to answer questions in chat then theres plenty of people who already do that w ho dont even ask for a gm tag. I kind of assumed their role was to help set up an environment where newer players were encouraged to keep playing and to act as alex's eyes so he can have a better understanding of whats going on in the community. Maybe im just mistaken about their purpose idk :P
Hell im friends with some of the lock members so I'm happy to see them benefit from all this. I personally dont need any of the event rewards to help out with my situation so im glad it all goes to my friends. But as a person who actually gives a crap about the community as a whole I kind of feel obligated to voice my opinions about what I see happening.
Sorry if im offending anyone, alot of you gms are cool guys, just a little biased which is pretty normal for a human being :P
I dont mean to make it sound like you clan lock gms are completely corrupt or anything. to be fair you just mostly point out the fact that its hard to really deal with the fact that people are going to team up to win in events. Im not trying to shit all over you guys as human beings you are all pretty nice guys for the most part. I just think that if we all get together and brainstorm a little bit and be honest with each other we can collectively come up with a better system than we currently have.
1st thing. My Clan LocK is disbanded, so it doesn't exist anymore. 2nd thing. You will always have better people @ the game in any situation. No matter what you do. There's just no way around that unfortunately. Either people will feel the need to signup and try to win some gold, or they wont bother. We try to make it as fun as possible, and yes we'll be doing some different stuff in the future, but to point out 1 or 2 people will always win the events, that's just the nature of the game. There is literally nothing we can do to prevent that.
yea I know lock technically disbanded, now pretty much all the members are in a new clan, its basically the same difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lockzilla
like I said, it's not unfair that skilled players should be rewarded for being skilled, and youre right, you cant do anything about them winning all the time and thats fine, you shouldnt have to. My overall point is that increasing the rewards for those select few people, who dont even really need the rewards, isnt going to act as an incentive for people to start joining events more. Neither is saying "Oh well this is just the way things are".
So reduce the prize amount at the top end, but still keep it high enough so people will want to strive to win, reward participation for everyone, and possibly have the gms be more active in getting people in the chat channel to join is my idea. So now how brainstorming works is someone else comes up with an alternative idea or an addition to this idea until the problem is solved.
Have a wonderful day.
clanman tournament is a complete bust. why not make a 1v1 or 2v2 pvp event with everything anni has to offer allowed? people can actually try to build up metas and try to counter others. i know things arent balanced for pvp but still when ppl was taking a huge d from lukifer's ww barb i oneshotted him with skental burst el druin proc which is absurd aint it? i think people are gonna complain about x class every week but they will play anyway because you can try new stuff unlike clanman events.
oh boy how i would love to try to 2v2s, but in order to have a 2v2 on anything, you would need, wait for it. signups!!!! Yes.. That pesky thing called signups. I would need 8 random people signing up, for a total of 4 teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by nedamettin
it sounds like a good thing to try, although in the long term I think it would just end up being 1 particular comp dominating every time. Then again I've never enjoyed how stale the barb/druid/nec/sin meta was but alot of other people seemed to love it so maybe theres nothing wrong with that :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Lockzilla
I say go for it, you could even do like 3 teams of 2 ffa if only 6 people join or just a 2v2 if only 4 join.
Back to the original topic, people are saying they don't want better prizes from tournaments because they're worried that clans will win them? in other words, punish everybody because a clan has a better chance of winning certain tournaments? That sounds like salty bitchery to me. I left Lock before it disbanded, and I still entered tournaments. I didn't come on here bitching about my former clan having an advantage. Of COURSE clans will have an advantage in certain areas in SOCIAL games, where you're SUPPOSED to interact with one another. Get over it. Or join/form a clan. Or just get better.
Realistically im the only one who posted anything that could be considered "salty bitchery" so im going to go ahead and assume youre talking to me. I have no reason to be salty about my friends getting easy marks. I dont want anyone to get "punished", I already have formed a clan, Im already one of the more skilled players around. My assumption when posting my thoughts is that the event managers are trying to give out interesting rewards in order to make more people participate in events. My views and ideas are based on the goal of facilitating that happening. I dont see how a "git gud nub" approach is really going to help the community in the long run. If those players were capable of getting good they probably would have after 15+ years of playing d2 :P. Once again, I dont think the players with higher skill levels shouldnt get rewarded for being better I just dont see the point in making the rich richer and the poor poorer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brimstonejack
Have a wonderful day :D
who said diablo 2 is a social game? if you make a FREE FOR ALL event that is supposed to be FREE FOR ALL and not a TEAM VERSUS PLEBS match.
also for the arguement "a certain comp would win all 2v2s", no. this is diablo 2, anything can be countered by something. meta will shift all the time and people will actually spend time on making different pvp oriented, probably much more defensive builds which will consume time and wont make server drop %80 of the player base after a few months i think.
this is why prizes would get better but not with clanman events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lockzilla
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Originally Posted by Bloop
I don't know how many times i said that big events will not be ffa, i do not know how the hell can a clan team up in a single elimination tourney. I like your toughts bloop, that is why there is 5 prizes and not 3 so people sign up. Also i can't ban teaming up on ffa events, how do you supose i tell people "Don't attack him, go attack that player" you can't enforce that. Also if you want to go assume I am making bigger prizes so my clan can win them you are assuming wrong. I volunteer here, every event i make takes 3-4 hours of my time to prepare and host properly. People will team up on events just because its easier to win, being in a clan or not, it will happen. Either you guys dont read what i'm writing, the event with Mark as a prize WILL NOT BE FFA. And I'm a Head Event Manager my job in staff is to manage events, make new event types etc. I'm not here to enforce any rules or to discipline anyone other then event connected things.
i agree with u raven .. all it comes down to id these events are 4 people to test there skill and have fun and mabby win a prize ... we are luvky to have people that want to run these events and help others grow in the server ... as 4 clan team ups lol clans are free to join most of the time just join 1 have fun with others and try to win test yr skill
Well yea i don't see a point in fighting over this, my goal is to make rewarding more diverse as not all players find gold as usefull as in game items. You will be able to choose, if you want fixed ammount of gold or Pbox type item. I do not plan to make this easy on anyone, thats why the events will be single elimination tournaments. We can do it in softcore so you guys can do it FT3 so nobody complains about misclicking, mistakes etc. I'm here to take in your opinions on what is best. I know every one of you want this as prize but you're afraid somebody will get upper hand. I assure you all, this will be legit as it can be.