Gold gifting either needs to be turned off, or gold trading needs to be turned on since it's pretty much the same thing. Gold gifting has ruined the in game economy btw.
Gold gifting either needs to be turned off, or gold trading needs to be turned on since it's pretty much the same thing. Gold gifting has ruined the in game economy btw.
Last edited by PSyren; 02-05-2016 at 11:52 PM.
It is absolutely different. Trading Gold can be abused because the Gold would be limitless from voting on multiple accounts and stock piling it all on one, making it easy to buy expensive Gold items in 1 day. Gold Gifting is literally the same as just buying the Gold yourself and buying items off of the Gold Vendor based on whatever the other person wants, this way they can just do it on their own. I am not seeing your logic here PSyrenOriginally Posted by PSyren
Snake Champion!Imo trading items for gold should be forbidden (using the gifting feature).
e: i mean also to transfer gold from X to Y, like Game said, which is disabled for stated reasons.
Saying I want you to buy me 2x XYZ from vendor from your gold or that NV for gold is OK.
I never gifted gold or got gifted, but isn't it just that you pay and the other receives it? If so I understand psyrens logic, it's a one way gold trade channel with passively trading gold (gold items) in the economy.
I have no statistics about the gold gifted here, but it's a easy to abuse feature because I don't think "normal" gold gifting happens that often. I understand it's a good deal for the server and you to get money, but it's clearing breaking boundaries if used in that way imo.
Surely a topic to be discussed.
Last edited by Dante; 02-06-2016 at 01:26 AM.
Okay, give me a scenario where buying Gold for someone else can be abused that cannot be abused if you're just buying it for yourself?
Snake Champion!Well maybe abused was the wrong term. I meant the way of trading for gold, that is for me hard on the boundary with the server rules:
7. No selling or exchanging Items / Accounts / Gold for real life money.
- Annihilus was created for your enjoyment, not your bank account.
8. No attempting to abuse the Gold System in anyway.
- Making multiple accounts just to get the activity and voting Gold each day is completely unacceptable, same with abusing the referral system. You will get banned for this, we will be monitoring this closely!
For me it's clearly against rule 7, isn't it?
I mean people think easy, they say I offer you cow set boots for 5k gold. Someone buys gold as a gift for someone else. Again, I don't now the clear mechanics of gifting, I never used it, but it's a bit obvious if it is like that.
Nothing against Joe here( I mean he is head GM), but how is he able to get ~85 k gold? I mean sure he could be donating and buying gold idk, but I seen instances where people sell items for gold. If you can't trade gold then you do it as a gift? Don't get me wrong I'm just discussing the topic here, idc if you allow this, it's all fair and good with me, it was just an example. I don't think it's abusive.
If you buying it for yourself you can't trade it or transfer it to others, can you? Maybe to your own accounts, I have very little experience with that, but it seems to be like that to me.
So the only way to bring the value actually in the economy besides having it as just numbers in a database is to buy items and sell them for other items. That's a difference to me.
Rule 8 talks about attempting, multi vote is an example for it right? the rule itself is more general. With rule 7 here makes this a attempt for me. Sorry but it's not a gift if you buy gold for someone and he gives items to you.
See the thing is the wording itself. It is QUITE literal, it says you are not allowed to sell ANYTHING for real life money. Nobody gifting Gold is making a single dollar off of this server, by gifting Gold the $ goes straight back into the server, not into a player's pocket. Nobody is selling anything for real-life money or anything that goes into their bank account, like the rule states. With the feature to deliver purchased Gold to someone else this allows players who may have found a super rare item with a great roll to get a decent amount of Gold to buy things from the Gold Vendor that they may have taken much longer to obtain otherwise because they aren't as fortunate in real life to have extra money to spend.
The biggest thing about this is the $ goes straight back into the server, like I mentioned earlier. I think a lot of poeple do not realize how much time I have to put into each patch, and when it comes to the content I am a 1-man development team. Many of you may also not realize I am happily married with a son who is about to turn 1. If we didn't have people buying Gold or gifting Gold, do you think I could explain to my wife why I am spending 10+ hours on my days off of work to work on the next patch? We'd be MUCH further behind on content than we are now, and 3.2 would be nowhere near as close as it is, heck I doubt we'd be on 3.0 yet. The way it is setup now is not giving anybody any advantages over others, and it allows me to rationalize working on Annihilus as if it was a second full-time job. I could change it now if you all really somehow feel it is affecting your time here at Annihilus someway or somehow, but I imagine a decent amount of Gold purchasing would slow down, so you would naturally have to expect content creation to slow down as well. If that is a trade you guys are willing to make just let me know!
Snake Champion!Yes you clearly got the point and it's exactly what you say, it's about the wording.
See, you have to explain it and it is clear that nobody makes a real life $ with it. But it's not like you couldn't still sell your account with the gold to someone else for real life money which is nearly impossible for you to detect. I wasn't talking about that. Also I said I understand the advantages of the gold system like that and a great way to get you the money you deserve, you don't have to tell me about your personal life I already know that, we all need to come around with our money and time. See I don't meant to be personal, it's all good with that, all reasonable.
I'm just addressing the ingame economy here. With what you now said, it is clear to me that this way of trading items via the "gift" feature is allowed, which wasn't that clear to me before, so it's maybe not to new players. Maybe also because the literal wording is missleading. But it's a statement now. I'm talking about the rules here, I mean I am a GM, I wanna know what are the rules exactly. Psyren may have known this or not, he was just addressing and caring about the ingame economy too. Technically you don't sell it for real life money, but you have to think about what this does with the economy in game.
For instance if someone sells me something for 1000 gold. He wouldn't accept 1 Zod (~1k Gold) wouldn't he? 1000 gold has more value to it even if the ingame item you get is valued the same at the vendor.
So I am going to gift you 1k, giving the money straight to the server right.
But wouldn't it be the same effect if you wouldn't allow gifting and just allow item trades ( including vendor items of course).
You still get the same amount of "real life money" out of it, but it's not part of the ingame economy to have a side effect currency for ingame trades.
e: So to make the question clear here:
Would changing it like that lower the amount of money you get for the server and your time and effort?
If yes -> keep it, it has reasoning behind it, but try to understand people not liking it that much, no matter what it does for you.
Last edited by Dante; 02-06-2016 at 04:59 AM.
I am afraid you just aren't getting it Dante. The wording is quite clear, I just went into more detail than necessary because you didn't seem to understand. It says you cannot sell things for real life money, and nobody is doing that. How does the gifting Gold system allow people to break the rules and sell their account with the Gold on it that wouldn't work if gifting Gold was disabled? People could still technically do it all the same with the Gold they saved up from voting or bought themselves in the past. As for this not being common knowledge that you can do this, it actually mentions it in the FAQ on the front page of the website. And for the record, it isn't hard to detect when an IP address from a completely different location logs into an account and starts spending Gold!
Your example about the Zod is also not really relevant, of course the Gold would be worth a little more because it allows a little more freedom on what the buyer wants to spend the Gold on. They may not know what they want from the store and want to decide later. There may be a few picky people who only want Gold but there aren't going to be many people who buy Gold to gift it to them, and will likely settle for just having users by the Gold items from the vendor for them. This isn't harming a thing and I think you all are overreacting over something that isn't even there. If you stop and think about it there is absolutely nothing that can be abused here that couldn't also technically be abused without gold gifting. The original question I asked you all was how can Gold gifting be abused, and unfortunately I have not gotten an answer.
Snake Champion!Yes it is more a questioning on my side then a discussion, thanks for pointing that out. I'm not overreacting.
I stop answering this now, it's not bad right now I know.
We will see how it goes, I should stop caring for it tbh.
When it comes down to it people shouldn't expect others to be ready to buy Gold to purchase their item, and if they only accept Gold in that manner then it is absolutely not worth trading with them.
I didn't mean to upset you Dante that certainly wasn't my intention, I am just having trouble seeing issues that Gold gifting is causing. Just about the ONLY person I see getting Gold from this is Mephisto anyways, Gold gifts happen maybe once a week.
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