Never said tele staff was bm. I sad it was a poor option, based on the idea that in order to use it, you're ditching your ability to block, as well as taking a hit to your resists. In essence, I was clearly stating that it was UNDERpowered, not Op, or BM. I also never stated that we NEED EoP, but rather it would be another option if we don't want to place limits on FRW. But please, continue to make ableist statements while proving that you lack basic reading comprehension skills. Or just keep getting mad that people are looking for ways to fix issues you seem all too happy to let slide, so long as it means you get to keep exploiting overpowered characters. Cheers,
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I disagree. Having so much frw that you can outrun projectiles (not just bone spirits) while returning fire with high speed homing projectiles makes the FRW a big part of the problem. It's a unique combination that give the zons an unfair advantage in almost every scenario in LLD. The FRW is the lynchpin of the unfair advantage. I get it. You use a high FRW zon and you don't want to lose that advantage. But I think my idea of having frw caps for all characters with the cap being higher for zons, since their mobility IS so crucial to their play is an idea we should explore. Not so fast that she can outrun projectiles, but faster than anyone except maybe a vigor din or feral rage druid fully charged.
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To be quite honest I want to see zon nerfed too, it's not a character I enjoy playing. But like I said, capping frw isn't gonna make them not op. But I mean, feel free to cap frw; it's not going to change anything. I guess results are going to be way more convincing than my words.
I'll shut down this. WSGing will not be a rule in d2pk. LLD or HLD its just not going to happen. We are open to other suggestions though. Also Enigma of Peace won't be added either. It just ruins LLD. Not to mention its just to overpowered as high level dueling as well.
I agree that you can't really regulate WSG. It's a play style, and a matter of opinion as to what would be considered exploiting it. You can't prove the guy using it doesn't suspect he's namelocked, etc. I disagree with your take on EoP, but that's just my opinion, and it would only be something I'd argue over if we were to take frw caps off the table. I'd be more than happy to help test to find a reasonable FRW cap, and stand by my statement that zons should have a higher FRW than other classes, but not insanely so. It shouldn't be to the point where the zon literally never has to worry about melee characters catching up to them. I would suggest we discuss off-screen spamming, since they have unlimited arrows. Running out of arrows was what kept people from doing this in vanilla, but there's no such concern on d2pk.
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Another thing I'd like to bring up is the limit on life rep for es sorcs. i would understand it if we could actually put more hard points into es and tele without killing our dmg output, especially since pretty much everyone has max res, but with the current available equipment from the lld vendor, it's impossible to hit your FHR and fcr breakpoints at the same time and stay under the 15 max life rep. Even a 5 point boost to 20 would solve this. Thoughts?
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